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DeepSeek V4-Flash vs Qwen3.8 27B

DeepSeek V4-Flash scores higher on the intelligence index, 35 against 34. The cheapest machine here that runs DeepSeek V4-Flash is the Mac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB, at $10,799. Qwen3.8 27B runs on the Framework Desktop, 32GB at $1,269, $9,530 less. On the Mac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB, the cheapest machine here that runs both, they run at much the same speed: 49 and 48 tok/s, both estimated from memory bandwidth. At 500k tokens a day the Mac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB pays for itself in 602 years running Qwen3.8 27B, against 1,736 years running DeepSeek V4-Flash.

DeepSeek V4-FlashQwen3.8 27B
Intelligence index3534
ClassSonnet-classSonnet-class
Weights155 GB16 GB
Needs at 32k155 GB19 GB
QuantisationUD-Q4_K_MQ4_K_M
Parameters284B (13B active)27.8B
Max context1M256k
API price per 1M$0.04732 in / $0.09464 out$0.039 in / $1.25 out
LicenceMITApache 2.0
Machines here that run it1 of 3730 of 37
Cheapest machine that runs itMac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB $10,799Strix Halo Framework Desktop, 32GB $1,269

Run DeepSeek V4-Flash on the Mac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB · or Qwen3.8 27B on the Framework Desktop, 32GB

Jump to: Side by side on the Mac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB · How much use it takes to pay for the machine · Machines that run one and not the other · The assumptions behind both columns

Side by side on the Mac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB

The table above gives each model the cheapest machine that runs it, and those are two different machines, so nothing in it is a like-for-like race. The Mac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB is the cheapest machine here that runs both, so this is the pair doing the same work on the same hardware.

DeepSeek V4-FlashQwen3.8 27B
Speed at 32k49 tok/s estimated48 tok/s estimated
Pay-back on this machinePays back in 1,736 yearsPays back in 602 years
API cost per month$0.77$1.75

Run DeepSeek V4-Flash on the Mac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB · or Qwen3.8 27B

How much use it takes to pay for the machine

Everything above is at 500k tokens a day. Pay-back moves with how much you actually run, so here are both models at the five levels of use the calculator names, on the Mac Studio M5 Ultra, 256GB. Qwen3.8 27B pays for it sooner at every level of use, so which of them to run does not turn on how hard you work it.

A day's useDeepSeek V4-FlashQwen3.8 27B
50ka few chats a day17,360 years6,021 years
200klight assistant use4,340 years1,505 years
1Ma moderate coding-assistant day868 years301 years
4Mheavy coding with an agent217 years75 years
20Magents running most of the day43 years15 years

Run DeepSeek V4-Flash at 20M tokens a day · or Qwen3.8 27B

Machines that run one and not the other

Qwen3.8 27B needs 19 GB of memory at 32k of context and DeepSeek V4-Flash needs 155 GB. That puts Qwen3.8 27B on 29 of the 37 machines priced here that DeepSeek V4-Flash does not, starting at $1,269.

MachinePriceMemorySpeed on Qwen3.8 27BPay-back
Strix Halo Framework Desktop, 32GB$1,26932 GB10 tok/s estimatedPays back in 91 years
Mac mini M6, 32GB$1,29932 GB6.9 tok/s estimatedPays back in 82 years
AMD Radeon AI PRO R9700, 32GB$1,299card only32 GB30 tok/s estimatedPays back in 84 years
Strix Halo Corsair AI Workstation 300, 64GB$1,70064 GB10 tok/s estimatedPays back in 121 years
Strix Halo Framework Desktop, 64GB$1,95964 GB10 tok/s estimatedPays back in 140 years
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090, 32GB$1,999card only32 GB66 tok/s estimatedPays back in 123 years

23 more, on the Qwen3.8 27B page.

DeepSeek V4-Flash is also head to head with Qwen3.8 Flash Next above it on the leaderboard. Two more models need much the same memory: MiniMax M2.7 and Inkling Small. Qwen3.8 27B is also head to head with Beam 1.0 501B-A23B below it on the leaderboard and Qwen3 32B, the last-generation Qwen nearest it in size. One more model needs much the same memory: Muse Glimmer 30B.

The assumptions behind both columns

Both columns use the same usage: 500k tokens a day at 15:1 input to output, 32k of context, $0.17 per kWh, and today's API prices held flat. Speeds marked estimated are worked out from memory bandwidth rather than measured, and pay-back scales with them. Where nobody rents an open model by the token, its API prices are the nearest hosted model's, named beside them. Machines are the 37 here with a published price that are still sold. Change any of it in the calculator.

More head to head: every machine that runs DeepSeek V4-Flash · every machine that runs Qwen3.8 27B · every other match-up · both against the frontier · the quickest pay-back at each level of use